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Has Anyone Here Heard Of Ido Kedar?
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I had a pretty provocative conversation with one of my son’s therapists recently. She does like to bring up occassionally her reservations about ABA, at least the most traditional ABA practices.

I understand her points, and I can see some limitations and things to watch out for, but I keep getting these gut feelings she is either trying to tell me between the lines that she wants us to consider a different ABA approach (ie work with her company instead, who has a different approach focusing… read more

posted January 5, 2019 (edited)
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I think "old" ABA of forcing 2 and 3 year olds to sit in a chair at a small table for 40 hours a week while doing repetitive drills on 5 skills at a time is ridiculous and often what people think of when they hear "ABA" and what Autistics are against. But I always try to remember this... ask a group of Neurotypical people what they think about "school" and I guarantee you will have just as many if not more people saying that "school" is horrible, made them miserable.... I think ABA is NOT "discrete trial" they are not synonyms, and should not be. There is a place of discrete trial and a good program should include some for a select skills that are learned well that way particularly academic skills...the rest should be worked on in generalized context...ABA is great in that EVERY behavior positive or negative needs tone looked at functionally and how to get to that function in a way that make sense.

posted January 5, 2019
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I don’t know what this is worth but I researched ABA while looking into therapy for my son. I was not OK with it roots or the stories of former patients. By chance, I found a psychologist that specializes in ASD and does not endorse ABA. She was more of a Floortime person and during therapy she would get down on the ground with my son and draw him out. Her emphasis was on building communication and not simply correcting unacceptable behaviors. As part of his treatment plan she recommended OT to address the fine motor, sensory and planning issues. Interestingly as he progressed in these areas in OT the behaviors have greatly improved. Emotional regulation is a prob for our kiddos. OT with emphasis on helping kids recognize when they are disregulated has been most helpful.

posted January 9, 2019
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@A MyAutismTeam Member and @A MyAutismTeam Member thank you for such thoughtful responses. DadRob when you were describing your ABA team, they reminded me exactly of how we’d describe ours. We do not have all of the out of the home fun activities but we want to work up to that. I have a hunch that some of the criticisms we hear about ABA are the dark ages model of 40 hours a week at a table. But I also do see some parts of ABA as too grainular and myopic. Eg not every part of learning can be collected through data and trials. That is why I am so happy they do activities like reading books together, dance parties, hide and seek, etc. but let’s also be clear, the reading books together does have tracked goals so behind the scenes they are tracking how much time they spend on the book, number of seconds per page, etc.
When we add PT activities like copying therapist or mom and dad walking in a line, the ABA will ask, “is it right foot, left foot? Heel toe heel? Do we say WALK ON THE LINE? or LEFT RIGHT LEFT? And my eyes absolutely glaze over. I dont’t know—just walk! 🙃

posted January 5, 2019 (edited)
A MyAutismTeam Member

I agree with completely I'm going to school to be an aba therapist but open my own clinic and use techniques that work for the individual child

posted January 12, 2019
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Thank you @A MyAutismTeam Member this is so good to know. The other day my son was pushing on his eyes as perhaps a stim and the BCBA asked if we wanted them to focus on stopping that behavior or let it be.
This to me showed me her openness, should this be something he likes to do to help him.
I have had many convos the past two years w his BCBA about how important it is to help him function in the world and not mask any needs (flapping, spinning, vocal stims, chewing, rocking, cupping ears, fidgeting) if they are soothing and help him cope, or we need to unlock whatever the trigger may be. I have said to all therapists that our job is to learn the whys of the behavior before anything else.
I think in our particular circumstances, I sense tension between the BCBA and OT from both sides, and understand sometimes clinics are competitive with one another. And seed planting is just something people do.
My gut is telling me that it is more a byproduct of that (therapists egos, as kind and loving as they may be we all have them!) than anything else. My husband has the same feeling. But I would be remiss if I didn’t learn something more about ABA to make sure we are staying informed.

posted January 5, 2019 (edited)

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